the shutdown hurt cuccinelli? >> there's no doubt the shutdown hurt cuccinelli. and like connie was saying, this is a very tough time to be saddled with the republican brand. and if this is indeed a referendum on obama care, i would be very nervous if i were national republicans. because if you look at the polling over the course of the last weeks and months, even now when we're in the heat of the battle, as it relates to the affordable care act, terry mcauliffe's polling has continued to be steady, and the enthusiasm hasn't worn off. this is a referendum. it looks like the referendum is going in favor of obama care. >> bill, what about this picture right here, bill clinton, very close to mcauliffe, and has been for years. hillary clinton has been there. the president is there. was there on sunday. the vice president has been there. i mean, the democrats clearly want virginia in the big picture what's it mean? >> well, and also the first lady has been there. what it means -- what it means is that we're going to have a strong, progressive governor in an important